Cloud portal to have a fee from May?

I have really mixed feelings about this email. On the one hand I’m really frustrated, eg it’s obvious to me they were getting into a CS business (big installed base with long warranties), but didn’t plan for or scale it. Also where’s the money gone or was the kit priced incorrectly because of the prior point (I don’t feel I paid top whack compared some brands). I think a lot of these companies are big on the product, ideas and tech and forget CS is a necessity.

I have always had to pay for my car app to get remote features and API access for IOG to work. Deep down I dislike that a bit, paying forever and relying on a manufacturer being around for the lifetime. But if priced fairly there is a genuine cost to them and value for me in having it there and my subs supporting customer service and their longevity.

Sadly GE misplayed all this and now we’re grumpy for the about face and their bad planning.

An old friend once said “don’t begrudge the other man his profit” especially if you want him to continue to do business with you and still be around when you need them. This is harder when they are not helping themselves very well.

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Collective action may well get a positive outcome here. If enough customers send in properly worded complaints citing the promotional “free for life” claim and the relevant UK laws (section 50 Consumer Rights Act 2015), GivEnergy may consider that defending against such claims is more expensive than its worth.

Section 50 turns pre‑contract statements - emails, adverts, verbal assurances, website claims, into enforceable contractual terms.

A written, dated complaint does three things:

  1. Puts GivEnergy formally on notice — they cannot later claim ignorance
  2. Creates a paper trail if you escalate to Trading Standards or a regulator
  3. If enough people send them simultaneously, it transforms a customer service issue into a potential regulatory problem for GivEnergy

The key piece of evidence

GivEnergy published an official portal brochure (dated July 2023) which describes the portal as:

“Easy to use, remotely updated, and free forever

This document was publicly available on their website as part of their sales materials. Under Section 50 of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, pre-contractual representations made by a trader can become terms of the contract. “Free forever” is unambiguous language, in a published GivEnergy document, used to support hardware sales. That matters legally.

You can verify and save this document here — do it now before it disappears: https://givenergy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/GivEnergy-Portal-brochure.pdf
https://givenergy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/GivEnergy-UK-Product-Brochure.pdf

Screenshot it or download it as a PDF immediately.


What to include in your complaint letter

  1. Your name, address, and GivEnergy account/serial number
  2. Date of your hardware purchase (and installer name if applicable)
  3. The specific representation — quote the “free forever” language from the July 2023 brochure
  4. The legal basis — reference Section 50 of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, which provides that pre-contractual information given by a trader forms part of the contract
  5. Your position — that you purchased (or had installed) GivEnergy hardware in reliance on the portal being provided free of charge, and that introducing a fee represents a unilateral change to the terms under which you contracted
  6. What you want — be explicit: exemption from the fee for existing customers who purchased under the “free forever” representation
  7. A deadline — give them 14 days to respond before you escalate

Keep the tone firm but factual. Avoid emotional language — it weakens the impression.


A simple template to adapt

Dear GivEnergy Customer Services,

I am writing to formally object to the proposed introduction of a cloud portal subscription fee, as announced in [date of email].

I purchased a GivEnergy [product name] on approximately [date], installed by [installer name if known]. At the time of purchase, GivEnergy’s published portal brochure (July 2023) described the portal as “easy to use, remotely updated, and free forever.” This representation was publicly available on GivEnergy’s website and formed part of the basis on which I made my purchasing decision.

Under Section 50 of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, pre-contractual information provided by a trader to a consumer is treated as a term of the contract. I therefore consider that introducing a charge for cloud portal access constitutes a breach of the terms under which I contracted.

I request written confirmation that existing customers who purchased under the “free forever” representation will be exempted from the proposed fee. I would ask that you respond within 14 days of this letter. If I do not receive a satisfactory response, I intend to escalate this matter to Trading Standards and, if appropriate, the Competition and Markets Authority.

Yours faithfully, [Your name]


Where to send it

Send your complaint by email (so you have a dated, written record) to:

support@givenergy.co.uk

If you want to add extra weight, also send a copy by recorded post to their registered address:

Osprey House, Brymbo Road, Lymedale Business Park, Newcastle, Staffordshire, England, ST5 9HX


If GivEnergy don’t respond satisfactorily

Escalate in this order:

  1. Citizens Advice consumer helpline — 0808 223 1133. They triage complaints to Trading Standards. This is free.
  2. Trading Standards — via the Citizens Advice referral. A pattern of identical complaints about the same misleading claim is exactly what Trading Standards act on.
  3. Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) — if Trading Standards deem the issue systemic, they can refer it upward. The CMA has previously taken enforcement action against companies making misleading “free” claims.
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Brilliant Scoob101. Exactly what I was looking to do. I’m on it. Hopefully many others will be too.

You know what, there’s huge negative energy here, understandably because we’ve all experienced the lack of support.

On the other hand, my system is excellent. It has saved me a lot of money. If it goes wrong I will lose money. I’d rather pay a fiver or so a month if it improves support.

Will it do that? I don’t know. What they are saying is that the current model is unsustainable. If they go out of business, we are completely on our own. If the funded model works, then we may get improved customer service. I’m prepared to spend a little of what I’m saving to try to make that happen.

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I don’t feel i know about these things like the collective do here. I also received the email and like others above, thought it strange. All i use is the App and adjust my export timings or min percentage to export down to. So I hope I won’t need the monthly payment(?). However im following this with great interest.

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this is really weird I had a Chat with my old friend “Gemini” only last week asking what would happen if GivEnergy cloud services went down?? This is part of the reply. But i would say one thing ! it’s the 1st of April today ! so…

Here is exactly what would happen, broken down into what works, what breaks, and how you can take back control.

1. What WILL still work (Core Functions)

The basic physics and local programming of the system do not require the internet.

  • Basic Solar & Battery Operation: Solar panels will still power your home and charge the battery. If the battery is full, excess solar will export to the grid. If solar isn’t enough, the battery will discharge to power your house.

  • Existing Schedules: Whatever charge/discharge schedule was last saved to the inverter will continue to run. The programming is stored locally on the unit’s internal memory.

  • EPS (Emergency Power Supply): If you have a power cut, the AIO’s gateway will still automatically disconnect your house from the grid and run your home from the battery/solar.

2. What WILL STOP working (Cloud Features)

  • The GivEnergy App & Web Portal: You will not be able to see your live data, historical graphs, or system status through the official app.

  • Changing Settings Easily: Because the app relies on the cloud to send commands to your inverter, you will not be able to change your charging schedules or system modes via your phone.

  • Smart Tariff Automation: If you use integrations like Octopus Agile or Octopus Intelligent Flux—where the cloud automatically decides when to charge your battery based on cheap energy prices—this will completely break.

  • Remote Support & Firmware Updates: GivEnergy support would not be able to remotely diagnose issues or push software updates to your unit.

3. How you would control it (The Workaround)

If the cloud disappeared tomorrow, the tech community has already built local, offline ways to communicate with GivEnergy equipment.

  • Local IP Access: Your AIO is connected to your home Wi-Fi (or hardwired via ethernet). You can type its local IP address (e.g., 192.168.1.50) into a web browser on your computer. This gives you a basic, local dashboard where you can view live stats and, depending on the firmware version, change basic settings.

  • Home Assistant (Modbus over TCP): This is the ultimate backup plan. Home Assistant is a free, locally run smart home platform (usually run on a Raspberry Pi or small PC). There is a massive, highly active community of GivEnergy users who have built integrations that talk directly to the inverter over your local Wi-Fi, completely bypassing the cloud.

    • Using Home Assistant, you can view all your data, create your own graphs, change charging schedules, and even rebuild the smart integrations with Octopus Energy yourself.

Summary: Should you be worried?

No. GivEnergy is one of the more “local-friendly” systems on the market. Unlike some smart devices that completely lock you out if the company goes under, GivEnergy units can be controlled via local network commands.

How to prepare:
If you want to future-proof your system against internet outages or cloud shutdowns, look into your router settings to find the local IP address of your GivEnergy AIO, and bookmark it. If you are tech-savvy, look into setting up Home Assistant —many GivEnergy owners actually prefer it to the official app!

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Technically that is still cloud access. Question is will there be a basic free access option and other features chargable. We will see!

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Thanks for that.

I’ve logged into ‘HF-A21’ which seems to take the default logins I can find online. But I can’t see anyway to do anything via this login

On HA presumably it can’t do the API intergrations that are required for Intel FLux?

Has anyone got a product brochure older than March 2023? We got our install in that month so would like to check a brochure which existed before that. TIA

If they’re going to start charging for API access, will that break Home Assistant unless you pay? I haven’t looked in to setting it up yet, but I have a Pi as I was looking at consolidating everything into one app.

Also, I put this in my survey, but not being able to turn your smart plugs on and off remotely without paying a fee essentially makes them dumb plugs that cost more.

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Maybe a daft question but the inverter asks for a user and password, do these match the SSO portal details or are they only known by the installer?

Ok so not a scam email but still an email trying to extract more money so little difference.
I’m not happy about having to pay GE more money. I had a poor experience with them and their non existent customer service having spent thousands on their products.
The products, when they work, are great. But when they don’t it’s a hideous nightmare of trying to get support.
In fact, there is no support.
Thank you to all those here who are far more knowledgeable than I and who do offer to help here.
If the cloud support is withdrawn because users opt not to pay, then how will those customers installers be able to access that customers account on the cloud should the need arise?
Most people have a contract for their purchase with their supplier (usually the installer) - so how will installers be able to fault find etc with no cloud access?

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Looks like the Survey form is now being flagged for phishing.

Mine is on the local network as; ‘OCTO-CADLITE’ with a mac address starting ‘c8:2e:18’.

Oddly one of my online monikers is DaftVadar, had me confused for a moment.

I’ve got an AIO, and the IP address for the Gateway and AIO battery have a default user:password of admin:admin

There’s no web interface to manipulate/view the inverter/battery settings (at least on the AIO 1), it’s to the best of my knowledge there just to change the settings of the wireless module. Howver, both of the devices are exposed via modbus over tcp/ip (I use home assistant to control mine via predbat).

I’ve got a GE EVC, which I don’t believe can be controlled locally yet, so that’ll likely turn into a dumb charger controlled by fobs.

Thought those were the Octopus Home Mini and the such like.

Things like HF-A21 are GE wifi / kit

Octo-cadlite comes back as Octopus Home Mini on a google search

Should my login to the inverter be the same as my cloud? I’m trying via the ‘HF-A21 Ip’ address (which shows on my router a 0 MB up and download which is odd as its working) Hybrid 5 G3 Inverter

I’ve just signed up to this forum…thanks for this. Email and letter sent

What will happen to this forum and all the helpful people and advice herein? I am only slightly technical and would be worried about not having you guys to turn to.

Is it time to start a different forum not controlled by GE?

Phill

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Agreed! will def need a new forum.