Cloud portal to have a fee from May?

I have just received an email saying Hi (my name) then the following - but interestingly and despite addressing me by my name - the sender has not signed off with theirs or any identifying name.
So - I am treating it as a possible scam and would advice people not to click on the Take Survey link in case it is - below is the email -

I need to speak directly about an upcoming change to the software that powers your GivEnergy system. To date, it has been provided free of charge, funded by ongoing hardware sales.

Infrastructure, data storage, and operations all have ongoing monthly costs. Our products can last over 15 years, which adds up to many hundreds of pounds over their lifetime.

As our user base has grown and hardware sales have slowed, that model no longer works.

What’s changing

To continue operating the platform sustainably, we’re moving to a model which - I hope you’ll agree - is simple, fair and transparent:

Local access remains free, forever

You’ll always be able to manage your system over your home network. Your system can continue to function independently of cloud services, for those who want a more hands-on approach.

Cloud access will become paid

A single monthly fee will cover remote access, historical data, automation, and API usage (including third party remote access). These are the services which mainly drive our ongoing costs.

How this change will save you money

The software is not just a convenience. Smart Tariff actively reduces energy costs and carbon intensity compared to static schedules.

Our goal is simple: for the subscription to save you more than it costs, with upcoming improvements to our use of:

Automatic charging on time-of-use tariffs

Solar generation prediction to optimise charge levels

Export strategies to maximise income

Integration with EV chargers

As just one example, we’re implementing an option to charge your battery a little less overnight if we know your solar will produce more power the next day for your average usage – our calculations show that this alone can save 50p per day on average.

Our goal isn’t to profit from the software but to make the platform sustainable, so it can continue to operate reliably for the long term and support our vision of empowering energy freedom for all.

We’ll continuously review pricing to ensure it remains fair and reflects the cost of running the service. If we’re able to reduce costs over time, we’ll reflect that in how the service is priced.

What about managing it yourself?

Some customers prefer to take full control of their system locally, using their own tools and setup. That option will always remain available, and we plan to make this easier than ever before in the coming months.

However, it typically requires:

Additional hardware (a home server or controller)

Ongoing electricity usage to run it

Some networking tools and knowledge

Trust and/or cost with additional software vendors

Time and effort to configure, monitor, and maintain

For most users, a managed cloud service is not only simpler and more reliable, but also cheaper overall once these factors are included. And, once the managed service is optimising your battery usage, this will easily offset its cost - and more - while you sleep!

A personal note from me

I’ve recently taken responsibility for GivEnergy Software, with a very clear goal: to make the platform sustainable and de-risk its future.

I know that the GivEnergy experience - in software quality and hardware support - hasn’t always been where it should be. That’s on us. I am confident that we can make this work if we get this transition right and fund the product fairly and effectively. That’s why your input matters.

I’ve put together a short survey to understand how you use the software and what matters most to you. It should take only a minute or two – there are 12 questions, most are multiple choice and all are optional. There’s also space for any other thoughts you may have that aren’t covered by the questions.

Your responses will directly influence how we implement this change. We’ll feed back with your aggregated, anonymised responses in a future blog post, for maximum transparency.

Take the survey

What happens next

We’ll review your feedback and feed back the results quickly. We’ll share full details on pricing and timing, with the new model beginning in May.

We know this is a significant change, and not everyone will welcome it. My aim is to be transparent about why it’s necessary — and to ensure the platform continues to sustainably deliver real value for those who rely on it.

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I don’t think it is a scam. It made me furious. Their customer service is so poor and now they seriously want to charge for something that should be a basic part of the ā€œserviceā€. Except their ā€œserviceā€ is terrible.

I too don’t think it is a scam and I am annoyed that the sender didn’t put his or her name to the email. I filled in the survey online and made it clear that I don’t have any confidence in GivEnergy turning around their dismal record on customer support, which in my opinion is the reason why their sales have dropped. They will need to demonstrate their commitment to their customers before I would consider paying any more of my hard eaned cash to GivEnergy.

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Yeah, I just received this email too. As well as remote access, they also plan to charge you for using their API. Which means any money gained from exporting to Axel Energy to help balance the grid, for example, is going to get eaten by a new monthly fee. GivEnergy have really let their customers down. Not happy.

I agree, who is in charge of software? and does he not know his name. Totally unprofessional, customer services is virtually nonexistent, I have given up trying. Now they want to charge for access to the data that their software cannot report correctly on.
What happened to the company that was a beacon of British innovation.

I got the email also and also found it weird that it was not signed by name!

I call the GivEnergy API using custom python code.
I’d be happy to do that via a local URL if they gave me one - and it worked.
I don’t think I should be made to pay after being sold something and it was free at that time. Is it legal to do that?

Feared this was coming.

Looks like I’m stuffed. I don’t need their smart tariffs or automation but I do need the API for Octopus Intelligent Flux so as I read it I’ll have to pay to keep that working

Just tried posting the below message but I was blocked!

I recently posted about the appalling customer service to which no one has responded (it’s here). Please take a look. It suggests writing directly to Jason Osler the only director of GE (as far as I can see).

Now that GE have told us why our user experience will be so much better when they charge us for access to our system, I suggest replying to the survey and writing about the appalling customer service.

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What happened here

The brochure hollytree’s screenshot is from is here: https://givenergy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/GivEnergy-UK-Product-Brochure.pdf

I don’t see how they can legally start charging for something that has been described in marketing literature as ā€˜free forever’

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There are quite a few of us here that cannot even go down the local control route. I only had the system installed in Dec 25 and currently, the cloud service is the only way i can communicate with the Inverter. Even their own App refuses to communicate locally!

What about the clause in the Warranty that says something about the Inverter must remain in touch with the cloud server for the warranty to remain valid.

The phrase ā€˜A single monthly fee…’ is just plain stupid, an oxymoron.

What is tomorrows date?

I had that email too and didn’t quite read it right and while I was annoyed earlier, I am absolutely fuming now with the fact that you have to pay to get access to the API. I very rarely use the native app and have API access for Intelligent Octopus Flux Import and Export, which will be borked now as I am not wanting to pay for something that’s sold to me as ā€˜Free forever’

If they are insisting on this then there needs to be a way they release a local API so that it does not go anywhere near their servers at all, it can’t see that happening.

Yet another part of the whole ā€˜Ensh1t1fication’ of everything. Start of the slippery slope where after this the price goes up while the service decreases (even more) unit; eventually they do a Google and pull all support….just before warranty periods end too.

This one needs sending to Louis Rossman

Edit:- have sent it on to Louis ar The Rossmann Group so let’s see what happens

What Google AI has to say about it…

Generally, a company cannot start charging for a service they explicitly advertised as ā€œfree foreverā€ if doing so would be considered misleading or a breach of contract under consumer protection laws. While businesses often try to use ā€œTerms of Serviceā€ (ToS) updates to justify new fees, these changes are frequently unenforceable if they contradict a core promise made at the time of purchase. [1, 2, 3]

Key Legal Protections

  • Misleading Advertising: Under laws like the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations (UK) or FTC Act Section 5 (US), businesses must not deceive consumers. Advertising a service as ā€œfree foreverā€ to induce a purchase and then charging for it later is a classic example of a misleading action.
  • Contractual ā€œAs Describedā€: The Consumer Rights Act 2015 (UK) requires goods and digital services to be ā€œas describedā€. If the ā€œfree foreverā€ service was a primary feature of the product you bought, the company may be in breach of contract for failing to provide it as originally stated.
  • Express Consent for New Charges: Companies generally cannot automatically move you to a paid plan without your express informed consent. New regulations, such as the Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers Act 2024 (UK) and the FTC ā€œClick-to-Cancelā€ Rule (US), mandate clear disclosures and simple ways to reject new subscriptions. [1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13]

Common ā€œLoopholeā€ Attempts

Businesses may attempt to bypass ā€œfree foreverā€ promises using these tactics, though they are often legally shaky:

  • ā€œFreeā€ for 6 Months: In some jurisdictions (like the UK), calling a service ā€œfreeā€ indefinitely is restricted; after 6 months, it may be considered part of the ā€œnormā€ and no longer a ā€œfree extraā€.
  • Tiers and Features: They might keep a ā€œbasicā€ version free but move all useful features behind a paywall, effectively forcing you to pay for the functionality you originally bought.
  • ToS Updates: Most companies claim they can change terms at any time. However, courts often rule that a ā€œunilateralā€ change to a major term (like price) is unfair and unenforceable unless you are given a clear right to exit without penalty. [3, 5, 7, 14]

What You Can Do

  1. Gather Evidence: Save original advertisements, receipts, or emails that explicitly use the phrase ā€œfree foreverā€ or ā€œno monthly feesā€.
  2. Contact the Business: Formally dispute the charge, citing that the service was a condition of your initial purchase.
  3. Report to Authorities: If they refuse to budge, report them to the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) or Citizens Advice in the UK, or the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) in the US. [1, 2, 13, 15, 16]

Has to be an april fool

They dont even have their own house in order and want to hit their current customer base with extra fee’s…

Yup need to sort the customer service element out first. I did nearly fall off my perch earlier as I had an email back from their support team after 2 months, didn’t help though with any answers I needed.

Our contracts are with the installers. To oppose this we will have to go through them or the credit card companies if you paid that way. I’ve put my thoughts in their survey anyway.

Just in case anyone was wondering here’s a link to the GE brochure that says the portal is ā€œfree foreverā€.

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UK consumer rights law states that promises made in promotional material are automatically part of the contract.

There is a legal case to answer here.

@Wingnut1000 to your point Santander advertised free business banking for life to some sole traders (me included) and then tried to start charging. IIRC a customer took them to court and won, winning us all free banking for many more years. Then Santander tried it again..